>> sure. >> and then we went to florida last night, and he got up this morning and called me, he said, i got to go back right now. this storm is getting out of hand, i got to handle it, and i said, mr. president, that is the right call. thank you for doing that. >> michael, if we've learned one thing about this president, it is that he is steadfast and strong in a crisis. it doesn't matter if he's commissioning the killing of bin laden or leading emergency planning at a time like this, does it? >> no, it doesn't, and it's one of the advantages of being president at a time like this. and i think -- >> but, michael, i would -- i'm thinking of the contrast between this president and, of course, the former president who was embarrassing, as you will remember, george w. bush, in relation to hurricane katrina. >> lessons learned. katrina was a lesson throughout the federal government of what not to do, not just at the presidential level, but operationally well below the president.